thank you so much for letting us into your homes. we're so grateful. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. >> thank you very much. welcome to "the beat." i'm ari melber. there's a lot happening right now. on our program nobel prize winning economist paul krugman is here. he has a break down of why he said trump was lying at the debate but inflating the concepts of a plan he doesn't have. also, kamala harris campaigning in wilkes barre, pennsylvania. we'll bring you her remarks. what a week she's had. she's doing local television interviews in pennsylvania. keep it locked right here. you'll get the news, the updates

as well as her remarks when she speaks. 53 days out from the election the harris campaign is clearly in high gear, pushing rallies, the local interviews, a new plan to speak with oprah and all these other rallies and campaigning since the debate with trump. >> it's one day away. the countdown is on to a pivotal presidential debate. >> we should be prepared for the fact he's not burdened by telling the truth. >> donald trump was fired by 81 million people. >> they're eating the dogs. people on television say my dog was taken and used for food. >> they say you're a disgrace. >> you had one candidate completely unhinged. just completely off his rocker. >> as my 16-year-old son was saying, she cooked. she did absolutely amazing. >> kamala harris pitched a shutout. >> one voter ready to speak now. >> she says, quote, i will be

casting my vote for kamala harris and tim walz. >> i'm incredibly grateful to taylor swift. i say that as a fellow cat owner. >> vice president harris had a plan. she stuck to the plan. >> donald trump and i had our first debate. and i believe we owe it to the voters to have another debate. >> that's the sound of a lot of people thinking kamala harris won the debate and would welcome another one. what you saw were some highlights of three days. we are here ending the week on a friday. that's just three days of what has been this compressed and active campaign. trump waving away any talk of another debate which is interesting. he understands apparently that this debate was bad enough, that a second could be as bad or worse. he's also not playing games.

we've covered trump for years. this is a guy who claims he wants debates. he has spent many news cycles claiming he would do things and not. why is it different now? well, this is a conversation that might be out of his control. if he tried to fake and claim he won another debate, it would add more time to people discussing the debate, which also itself may be bad for him. harris is trying to build momentum off the debate performance. she's been hitting swing states. she did two rallies in north carolina where harris and trump are tied. >> donald trump and i had our debate. you watched it? did you watch it? and, look, i believe we owe it to have another debate. right? we owe it to the voters. because here's the thing, in this election what's at stake

could not be more important. because two months ago the united states supreme court basically told the former president that he will effectively be immuno matter what he does in the white house. well, well, well, here's the thing, the courts will take care of that. let's take care of november. on tuesday night i talked about issues that i know matter to the families across america, like bringing down the cost of living, investing in america's small businesses, protecting reproductive freedom and keeping our nation safe and secure. but that's not what we heard from donald trump. instead -- you know, i called it at the beginning of the debate. it was the same old show.

same old tired playbook we've heard for years with no plan for how he would address the needs of the american people. well, folks, look, it's time to turn the page. >> there you have it. campaigns often boil down to two big factors -- the message, which takes endless repetition from the candidate, their surrogates, the ads, all the millions of dollars spent repeating the message. that's one part of the campaign. you might have heard some of those lines or variations on them from harris and her allies before. the other part is momentum and what we're seeing this week that might have been seemingly logical tuesday night even wednesday morning as it sunk in that trump had a terrible debate and harris had a good one has built through the last few days and tonight and harris doing a

new television interview. that's the momentum part. she's stitching the debate performance, not really close, one of our polarized contested things where republicans and democrats see the economy differently. she is seizing on the fact that it's become clear, as we reported and shown you, that voters think she clearly run. many republicans admit she won and she's using that for momentum. the momentum part brings us to tim walz who is out in michigan, part of the so-called blue wall they want to win, again, using the debate, the performance, donald trump's failure on that debate stage, to build the campaign's momentum. take a look. >> there was one person on that stage who should be the next president of the united states, one person. she commanded the room and i know all of us are incredibly proud of vice president harris, but let's be very clear, none of us were surprised of what

happened there. from the get go she had the upper hand. walking in, giving the hand shake. look, it says something about character. i got to ask right after the debate do you think we should do another one? i said, hell, every day we should do another one, of course. it's not going to happen. donald trump confirmed today he's not doing another one. [ crowd booing ] give him a little break. that one left a mark. that one left a mark. he's with it. look, who he was was on full display the other night. his true colors were out there. not just his make-up, not just his make-up. >> that's tim walz signature style which people are learning about. while there's plenty of back and forth in politics, i would add fact check. donald trump was on display. we're so accustomed to him getting away with things that

the combination of kamala harris being very good at this, and that's demonstrated, but also evolution and learning within the media and the fact checking that occurred during the debate as well as our civil discourse if i can sound so high-minded, i think more people are on to the tricks and the lies and the bs. so the idea here that donald trump both lost and is running away from her, running away from another debate and has been forced to tell the truth about that after lying all through tuesday, kamala harris and her campaign and her efficacy has him telling the truth apparently on this issue by friday, which is he doesn't want to debate her again. he couldn't handle her truth and he's running away. that brings us to some wisdom from the great bob marley. you're running and you're running away, but you can't run away from yourself. sometimes lyrics have

psychological wisdom and sometimes they have political application. donald trump cannot run away from who he is and who he has been for sometime. the fact that he's less aware of how it's playing, that it played poorly and he's been allegedly fighting with his campaign leadership about that. he went into the spin room to say what others wouldn't, to double down on things like pet eating. he's not about to change into a different, more reflective, more accountable person at this late stage in his career and in this campaign. now harris is in pennsylvania, which is a critical state. we can tell you some of the numbers. the harris campaign is pouring money in, which speaks to the fact that it's still close and that republicans and donald trump have very good fundamentals in that state. look at this from the "new york times," a quarter of the ad spending through election day

going to pennsylvania, which reminds you how that delegate rich state matters. even if they think, the harris campaign, she's doing great, they cannot risk losing pennsylvania. there's not a good map for them if you lose pennsylvania to win the electoral college. now, i mentioned and i said this and our colleagues talked about this, we talked about it tuesday night and wednesday, more than one person on this channel said here's how she won, look at the substance and the facts, but we have to wait and see what the voters think. debates are not scored by the media or a judge. there's no jury like in court that comes out with a ruling the next day. they're judged more broadly by the public over the days and weeks ahead. well, we are ending the week. i can show you over half surveyed say that donald trump stumbled and did not appear sharp. you can see. look at the gap between the 52% that say he stumbled and 1 out

of 5 voters said that about harris. americans also weighing in on the winner, a whopping 53% say harris won. only 24% could muster that view for trump. in fairness to donald trump, i mentioned this earlier this week and i'll say it again now. sometimes we repeat things. 24% of people familiar with the debate saying trump won means a heck of a lot of people who voted for trump in the past or are republicans don't think he won. didn't say that to a pollster or friend or family member. that's a problem for donald trump. it's a shock wave. doesn't mean those people won't vote for him, but it depresses the enthusiasm of his past voters. then this brings me to the commentary. we live in a world where we hear, especially from the maga side, constant lies. it became a litmus test to lie about the results of the 2020

election. donald trump was the loser. one of the litmus tests was to lie and say he wasn't the loser, but he was. donald trump is the loser of the 2020 election. fact. i'll say it then, i'll saw it now, many prominent republicans trying to keep influence in maga world won't say it or directly lie about it. low bar here, but some of those same people who some of the time have flirted with that appear to feel the need to just tell the truth about the fact that they think trump blew it and maybe that's because they feel like telling the truth or maybe it's because some of them want to get through to him and say, big guy, you keep doing this you're more likely to lose. some even acknowledging where harris hit her mark. take a look. >> whoever did debate prep for donald trump should be fired. >> he decisively lost. >> he was terrible. >> he took all the bait and none of the opportunities. >> people saw, actually she's an

intelligent capable person who has a point of view. >> on immigration that's where she derailed him. >> vice president harris clearly won the debate. >> i thought harris, you know, won rather decisively. >> vice president harris was clearly well prepared, practiced, on the offensive much of the night. >> make no mistake about it, trump had a bad night. >> talking about migrants eating dogs and cats, that's something "saturday night live" would do. >> he went down a few cat and dog holes rather than rabbit hole. >> i think he loses because of this debate performance. >> wow. >> every voice you heard was either a full-blown conservative who spent their entire adult careers as a conservative or someone from fox news. you have bill o'reilly and frank lutz and rfk jr. who just endorsed donald trump and is trying to help him, he thinks. i could have showed you many more minutes of people who are independent experts or voters,

let alone democrats and liberals. that's on the conservative side. imagine what they're saying to each other with the cameras off and, again, if rfk jr. is saying that in public and he's appearing on the stage with donald trump he has the ability to speak with him and imagine what they're telling the campaign. no wonder there's not going to be another debate if they don't think they can improve his performance. nobody wants him smacked around intellectually and politically by the vice president. we show you culture on this program, but we show it to you because it tells you where things are. if it's a punch line that trump did poorly, you know it's something people are aware of. >> nothing sounds more presidential than screaming they're eating the cats and dogs. i mean, i think that was thomas jefferson originally. >> if you were at a cocktail party and your friends said trans immigrants are eating dogs

in ohio, you would say, what the [ bleep ] you talking about, stew? >> even nickelodeon had a debate feed where every time trump screamed about eating dogs he got slimed. >> they're eating the dogs, the people that came in. they're eating the cats. they're eating the pets of the people that live there. >> donald trump is a known entertainer. for a long period of time he was the one telling the jokes. some were mean spirited. you might not have ever found them funny, but he was driving that. he's now the butt of the jokes. he is the joke. you can bet that bothers him, but it bothers the people around him who are trying to change the trajectory to make it more likely he could win. another point that's really striking whether you follow this on the internet or tiktok or newspapers and television, we're in a world where the media that

people consume matters. in the old days, it was the actual thing that happened and you saw it. or if you remember the howard dean scream. now we have tiktok where people can upload their own reactions or remixes of jokes and what they think. on tiktok we're seeing how people are digesting this debate. >> i don't know, donald, if you really wanted to be president, you would be barking like a dog right now. everyone agrees. >> there i did it. i barked like a dog. now i'm president. >> they're eating the dogs. eating the cats. eat the cat. >> good morning, donald j. how's it feel after getting your [ bleep ] kicked? ♪ i remember when we broke up ♪ >> donald trump was fired by 81 million people. >> to top that off, after the

debate you got a swift kick. ha ha ha. >> you still don't have a plan? >> i have concepts of a plan. i'm not president right now. >> some of it's fun. some of it's raw. this is the shift just as radio went to tv, tv goes to the internet, the internet is going to viral videos. as you can see the diversity there, age, political ideology, how you communicate, it's all there. the bad news for trump is just as you saw on late night and on fox there's a theme here which is a lot of people absorbing that he lost the debate which hurts his momentum. for some people who are making up their mind -- who's still making up their mind -- it might sway them. hard to imagine this brings someone towards him. then the concepts of a plan, that matters. it may have been a gaffe. it may have been worded poorly. underneath it is something

substantive. does donald trump care about this job? he clearly wants to stay out of prison and wants to punish his enemies and he talks about being a dictator. that's about him and his power. does he care about the actual job of being president and being concerned about you and the public and policy and health care and all the other things? whether you have an actual plan to deal with the national health care debates we've been having forever, but certainly during his tenure matters. it was a problem for him that he couldn't even in his own words claim he has an alternative to the affordable care act or obamacare. take a look. >> just a yes or no, you still don't have a plan? >> i have concepts of a plan. >> you heard what he said in the debate. he has no plan to replace it. he said -- he said concepts of a

plan. oh, you all watched the debate. concepts. concepts. no actual plan. concepts. >> concepts of a plan sounds like a gaffe, but it's also something that very serious policy experts are seizing on. take the noble economist paul krugman writing why trump was forced to admit that and how remarkable harris' skill was into baiting trump into an admission about something that matters. we have the great paul krugman after our shortest break. stay with us. break stay with us if you have postmenopausal osteoporosis and are at high risk for fracture, you can do more than just slow bone loss. you can build new bone in just 12 months with evenity®. evenity® is proven to reduce spine fracture risk by 73%. i heard her say the evenity® she's taking builds new bone.

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we're back with nobel prize winning economist paul krugman. professor, what was revealed about trump at the debate? >> well, to a large extent this is who he always was, but most people haven't seen that. they've only seen short clips. they haven't seen him as he actually is which is incoherent and blustering and unable to form coherent responses to questions. i think he's worse than he was. i would like to quote people get worse as they get older because they become more like themselves. that's true of donald trump. this was the trump that those of

us who follow him closely always knew was there. harris was more of a revelation. she was better than even i thought she would be. wow, ouch. this was pretty amazing. >> and you write about the obamacare admission. he has time to prep. whether he chooses to or not, he could have learned on the job, why does that matter? >> this guy's been running for president or been president for nine years. he doesn't have an answer to that question after all this time? i mean, there's a reason for that, which is he never had a good answer. you would have thought he would have tried to have -- you know, this might come up. there might be some question of why didn't i produce a plan or why did the only plan i produce lead to 30 million people losing health insurance? it sounded like hollywood speak. you have a concept like -- it's

like before you get around to making a movie. my god. the trouble is we all know -- those of us who are wonks on this stuff we know if he tried to come up with a plan he would have reinvented obamacare. aside from medicare for all, that's the way you have to go. he can't say that. on the other hand, it just -- this is a running theme. this is trump. remember, infrastructure became a running joke. week after week, this is infrastructure week and he never came up with an infrastructure plan. biden did. so it's not impossible to do, but trump just is constantly saying, i have great ideas and i can make things much better and then there's nothing there. >> really striking. professor paul krugman, thank you for making time for us. harris is actually taking the stage early. thanks to the professor. we'll go as promised to listen in to kamala harris at this pennsylvania rally with more coverage on the other side.

let's listen in. >> address the needs of the american people. well, folks, it's time to turn the page. let's turn the page. we're not going back. we're not going back. [ crowd chanting ] and we're not going back because -- we're not going back because america is ready for a new way forward. we are ready for a new generation of leadership that is optimistic about what we can do together, which is why -- thank you -- which is why democrats, republicans and independents are supporting our campaign.

we need a president of the united states who works for all the american people. let's just stop with all the trying to divide us. people are exhausted with that stuff. exhausted. you know, my entire career i have fought for the people. as a young courtroom prosecutor in oakland, i stood up for women and children against predators who abuse them. as attorney general of california, i took on the big banks and delivered $20 billion for middle class families who faced foreclosure. i stood up for veterans and students being scammed by big for-profit colleges.

for workers who were being cheated out of the wages they were due. for seniors facing elder abuse. as attorney general of a border state, i took on transnational criminal organizations like the cartel that traffic in drugs and threaten the safety of our communities. i know these cartels firsthand. as president, i will make sure we prosecute them to the fullest extent of the law for pushing poison like fentanyl on our children. and as president, i will fight on behalf of all communities and all americans, and together we will build a brighter future for

our nation. together. together. [ crowd chanting not going back ] and that future -- and that future we build will include what i call an opportunity economy so that every american has an opportunity to own a home, to build wealth and to start a business. you know, i love our small businesses. so growing up -- do we have small business leaders here? raise your hands. right. right. growing up my sister and my brother -- my sister and me had

a mother, have a mother -- had a mother. excuse me. she passed. our mother worked long hours. she worked hard and worked long hours. my sister mia and i would go to miss shelton's house. she helped our mother take care of us. we called her our second mother. miss shelton was a small business owner. since i was a child, i know the character and the person who is a small business owner. you're not only business leaders, you're civic leaders. you hold the community together. you're part of the fabric of the community. small business owners are the backbone of america's economy. the backbone of america's economy. which is why part of my plan that you heard about the other night will give a $50,000 tax deduction to start up small

businesses knowing that not everybody like my opponent got handed $40 million on a silver tray and then filed for bankruptcy six times. people sometimes just need the opportunity because we as americans do not lack for ambition, for aspiration, for dreams, for the preparedness to do hard work. but not everyone has the opportunity because not everyone has the access. when i talk about building an opportunity economy, it is grounded in that foundational belief, that when given an opportunity, people excel every day. every day. part of my focus is on the fact that we need to build more housing in america and so we are

going to cut red tape and work with the private sector to build 3 million new homes by the end of my first term. and i have a plan to help lower the cost of living for america's families on everything from health care to groceries, including i will take on corporate price gauging, which, as we know, is about those few bad guys taking advantage of desperate people and their needs to be a consequence. under my plan more than 100 million americans will get a tax cut, including expanding the child tax credit to $6,000 during the first year of a child's life understanding that new parents need support in that

most critical phase of their child's development to help them buy a car seat, a crib, baby clothes. i will also make sure good-paying jobs are available to all americans, not just those with college degrees. for far too long our nation has encouraged only one path to success, a four-year college degree. our nation needs to recognize the value of other paths, additional paths such as apprenticeships and technical programs. so, as president, i will get rid of the unnecessary degree requirements for federal jobs to

increase jobs for folks without a four-year degree understanding that requiring a certain degree does not necessarily talk about one's skills. and i will challenge the private sector to do the same. all of this to say, look, i come from the middle class. i understand where i come from and i'm never going to forget that. and i will always put middle class working people first. it will always be my priority. always be my priority. i know where i come from. i know where i come from. but now donald trump has a different plan.

just google -- look up the google. just google project 2025. it is a detailed, dangerous blueprint for what he will do if he were elected president again. donald trump will give billionaires and corporations massive tax cuts like he did before. he intends to cut social security and medicare. and he wants to impose what i call the trump sales tax on every day basic necessities, which as economists have reviewed would cost the average family nearly $4,000 more a year. in fact, independent economists like goldman sachs have said my plan would grow our economy and

his plan would shrink the economy, reignite inflation and send us into a recession by the middle of next year. on top of all of this donald trump intends to end the affordable care act. let's remember -- we're not here with trump amnesia. we remember. when he was president he tried 60 times to end the affordable care act. as he said in the debate this week, he has no plan to replace it. right. right. you said it. he said he has, quote, concepts of a plan. concepts of a plan? no actual plan. let's just think about this for a moment. he's going to threaten health

insurance for the 45 million people who rely on it based on a concept and take us back when insurance companies -- we remember where that was. we remember what that was when insurance companies had the power to deny people with pre-existing conditions. remember what that was like? remember? well, we are not going back. we are not going back. no. we are not going back. because -- because -- because ours is a fight for the future. and -- and ours is a fight for

freedom. like the fundamental freedom of a woman to make decisions about her own body and not have her government telling her what to do. we remember how we got here. donald trump hand picked three members of the united states supreme court with the intent that they would overturn roe v. wade and they did exactly as he intended. [ crowd chanting we're not going back ] we understand where we are. we understand where we are.

listen, listen, now is the time to get a hostage deal and cease-fire. we have been working around the clock to get that done. i respect your voice, but right now i am speaking. on the issue -- on the issue of fundamental rights and freedoms we remember how he selected those members of the supreme court to undo roe v. wade. they did just as he intended. what we have seen is in state after state they pass laws to criminalize health care providers, to punish women.

now more than 20 states have a trump abortion ban, many with no exceptions -- many with no exceptions for rape and incest, which is immoral. to tell a survivor of a violation to their body that they don't have a right to make a decision about what happens to their body next, that's immoral. let us agree one does not have to abandon their faith or deeply held beliefs to agree the government should not be telling her what to do. not the government. i will tell you when congress passes a bill to restore reproductive freedom, as president of the united states, i will proudly sign it into law. proudly.

i'm traveling around our country and i'll tell you across our nation we're witnessing a full-on assault on other hard-fought, hard-won fundamental freedoms and rights like the freedom to vote, the freedom to be safe from gun violence, the freedom to join a union and the freedom to love who you love openly and with pride. let's remember who we are as americans. generations before us led the fight for freedom and to the friends here i say, the baton is now in our hands.

it's now in our hands. so much is on the line in this election. we all know and remember -- this is not 2016 or 2020. the stakes are even higher than they were then because two months ago the united states supreme court essentially told the former president that he will effectively be immuno matter what he does if he gets back into the white house. just imagine donald trump with no guardrails. imagine what that might mean. right. he who has vowed, if re-elected, he would be a dictator on day one. he will call for the, quote,

termination of the constitution of the united states. and let us be clear, someone who suggests we should terminate the constitution of the united states of america should never again stand behind the seal of the president of the united states. never again. never again. so pennsylvania it all comes down to this. we are here together because we love our country. we love our country. and we who are here understand the awesome responsibility, the awesome responsibility that comes with the greatest

privilege on earth, the privilege and pride of being an american. [ crowd chanting usa ] and i do believe it's the highest form of patriotism to fight for the ideal of our country and to fight, to realize the promise of america. so, pennsylvania, 53 days until election day. we know ours will be a tight race until the very end. we are the underdog. we are the underdog. let's remember that and know

that. when we know how they play, we know how they play, we are the underdog and we have some very hard work ahead of us. here's the thing, we like hard work. hard work is good work. with your help we will win. we will win. pennsylvania, today i ask you, are you ready to make your voices heard? do we believe in freedom? do we believe in opportunity? do we believe in the promise of america? are we ready to fight for it? when we fight --

god bless you and bless the united states of america. ♪ freedom ♪ ♪ freedom ♪ ♪ freedom where are you ♪ >> we have been listening to kamala harris' rally. 6:44 p.m. local time in wilkes barre, pennsylvania. she was greeting an enthusiastic crowd assembled in a large coliseum there. the people behind her there. waving to a very excited crowd. the speech we heard was familiar in some respects. some of the lines she has used in her stump speech, as well as some of the newer material we've heard since what many considered a romp of a debate against donald trump on tuesday night. we can also tell you before we bring our guests in here, we

briefly heard what appeared to be a disruption from protesters. our cameras didn't have visuals on them. the vice president responded by speaking about the war in the middle east and calling for a cease-fire. our inference it would appear to be protesters on this issue. the crowd with which her on that point as she referenced wanting to be able to speak. you can see the vice president there walking off stage left about to exit under one of the freedom banners. i want to bring in the white house correspondent from "usa today" who has been covering vice president harris for about five years, francesca chambers and jake palmindore who waited on stand by while professor krugman went first. he has a nobel prize, the rest of us don't. we appreciate your patience and

your turn now. thanks for your patience. we heard a similar stump speech, but one where harris and her supporters and some republicans seem to think the wind is at her back since a commanding debate tuesday night. >> yeah, i mean, i think you just heard objectively speaking why harris is winning this campaign and why, if you were betting 53 days from now, you would bet on her to win the campaign. something bill clinton said, he said campaigns are about the future, not the past. you heard a message about the future from a candidate who embodies the future. kamala harris is a woman. she's multi-cultural. she's multi-racial. she also speaks to the economic anxieties of those who are white working class in places like pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin, which is why she's doing so well in all the polls. i think that both of those things are true. i think the contrast with what you hear at a trump rally couldn't be bigger.

you know, donald trump even today was talking about deporting haitian immigrants here legally to venezuela. i mean, how does that make sense? it's nonsense. it's racist. it's backwards looking and everything that's wrong with our politics embodied in a handful of sound bites from donald trump. >> francesca, you're here for a valid reason. you spent a lot of time around the vice president. she's still the vice president. being the democratic nominee against donald trump is a wholly different role. i would love -- i'm curious myself what you saw on the stage tonight, what you saw on tuesday. is it the exact same kamala harris you've been covering for years? has she risen to the challenge of a harder role when you're the nominee? what are the differences you see? >> she's really riding a high

after that debate. she brought up the concepts of a plan again, getting a lot of applause just as she did in north carolina. what it comes down to, ari, on the ground is the fact that they've had offices open in pennsylvania and other battleground states since before she was the nominee. she inherited that from joe biden. she's employeeing a strategy that worked for joe shapiro in 2022. she's going to trump won county as well. you saw her in luzerne county, a county shapiro won. pennsylvania, as you noted, is very important. if she loses pennsylvania, that likely means she lost wisconsin and michigan as well. >> we'll put up luzerne county,

some of the places she's campaigns, cambria county. jake, you've worked campaigns and can tell us about. she's in strong trump counties. she's not there to flip cambria county. what's she there to do? >> she's there to win over voters and decrease trump's margin in those counties. that's crucial for her. she needs to improve by a handful of percentage points among white working class voters in pennsylvania specifically. that's why you saw the message was so focussed on economics and the middle class, but also she was able to project a type of strength. you know, she's she's a woman candidate, but she looks strong. and she looks frankly stronger than the former president, you know, at that debate. and so she was basically leaning heavily into that. the other famous line was they

will vote for someone who is strong and wrong over someone who is weak and right. right now, she's strong and right, and that's a tremendous asset looking forward to the next 53 days. >> francesca, chai laid it out. she has the momentum, she has strength. she certainly has a cash advantage. so she's going into those redder parts of pennsylvania to drive local coverage, to drive people-to-people contact. some people in that county that are showing up to the rally might already be firm democratic voters, what they call ones in the business, but they all talk to each other and someone says i heard this or that, whatever the misinfo might be, and you have enthused people pushing back. some say i heard she's going to take my guns away, and the person says didn't you watch the debate? she's a gun owner herself. let me play some of that for your reaction, the debate. >> we have had the largest increase in domestic oil

production in history. respecting our military, and insuring we have the most lethal fighting force in the world. i was the tiebreaking vote on the inflation reduction act, which opened new leases for fracking. tim walz and i are both gun owners. we're not taking anybody's guns away. >> who was that aimed at? >> well, pennsylvania, where the debate took place. fracking is very important, so she pushed back on that point again. their campaign, they're relying on blue collar workers as was noted before, but they're trying to drive up turnout among black voters in this election and pull over more disaffected republicans over to their side. but here's the thing, she doesn't have a lot of time at this point, so they're going to have to be very targeted heading into the final weeks of this election. soon they will have to start making decisions, democratic strategists are telling me, about where to send the

candidate. she can't be everywhere all the time. she has a day job as vice president, and some of these states where it's really tight, particular in the sun belt, they might have to say this is want the best pathway for us. maybe we spend more time in the upper northeast states, the upper midwest. >> yeah. we talk about big mo, chai, the big momentum. >> right. >> before i let you go, i want to talk about the big o. which in the democratic party first and foremost could be president obama, but the other big o is oprah. and she's a big o. the primetime speech at the convention, commands a very diverse following. if the republicans could get oprah to do something, boy, would they love that. she is out for harris. i'll show you some headlines here. harris joins oprah for a unite for america virtual event. and they have done a lot of these virtual events. they're having success with

that. that was announced today. and obama in l.a. to headline a fund-raiser next week as well. where does this fit in, chai? >> yeah, i mean, the thing about oprah, oprah is not just a celebrity. she is an institution, and she's an institution in the heartland. i remember this very well when she endorsed barack obama in iowa. her show got just great ratings in iowa. and that was a very big part of barack obama's victory. it was her saying, look, i'm a woman of color. i am someone who looks different from you, but you know me from being in your homes every day for years. i share your values. i share your concerns. you heard about your values and your concerns on my show, and now kamala harris shares that as well with us. >> hmm. really interesting as we report out from what was a big kamala harris rally tonight coming off

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now i want to shout out something special you can be a part of tomorrow. we are airing the highlights of something you might have heard us talk about, our first big in-person event with rachel and lawrence and a lot of our colleagues. it was called msnbc live democracy 2024. we gathered with you, many msnbc viewers, in brooklyn. in fact, a lot of people came from other places. i heard from you guys because i was there that you made the trek in to see lawrence, to see rachel, to see joy. alex wagner, andrew weissmann and i and a lot more. i will show some people were even repping their "beat" lighters. amazing. there is one of our great

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